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#359590 - 08/05/16 04:07 AM [Off-Topic] How to become better sound quality over on soundcloud

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When y'all upload a track to soundcloud, they automatically convert everything to 128K MP3, regardless of what you upload (fifty-fifty if you lot upload your own 128K MP3 the file will still get through their conversion engine)

Because of this automatic conversion, they recommend uploading WAV files for best audio quality, which I always do.

In add-on to soundcloud I also upload songs to reverbnation. I only take the free account on reverbnation, which limits me to uploading 128K MP3s.

So, you would think they would audio the same, correct? soundcloud is playing a 128K MP3 that they generated from a WAV file I sent them, reverbnation is playing the 128K MP3 I sent them.

But they don't, the file over on reverbnation sounds MUCH improve! Has anyone else come up across this and figured out how to optimize the file sent to soundcloud and so that it will sound better?


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#359596 - 08/05/16 05:24 AM [Off-Topic] Re: How to get meliorate sound quality over on soundcloud [Re: BlueAttitude]
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A couple of things to consider....

Sometimes the player used by one site is better or worse than the players on other sites.

If the site runs a compression algorithm, which virtually practice that convert to 128kbs, that tin can really screw with the end result every bit well. Ane site, SoundClick, I think does that. I uploaded a 128kbs and the piano was all phasey sounding. I reloaded it with a 320kbs and even though the site changed it back to 128kbs, the result was that the piano was no longer phasey but sounded overnice and crisp. So the lesson is to upload the highest quality mp3 that the site will allow.

Some have file size limits which by their nature can force you to reduce the resolution from 320kbs to something more compressed just to get information technology in under the 10MB limit. At 320kbs, I retrieve the length of the song that will fit is somewhere around 4 minutes.

Use a site like Box and they play exactly what you upload without any file size limit, conversion or compression on their part. You tin load wave files if you lot wish and they volition stream.

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#359618 - 08/05/16 08:01 AM [Off-Topic] Re: How to get amend sound quality over on soundcloud [Re: Guitarhacker]

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Then the lesson is to upload the highest quality mp3 that the site volition let.

This is what I do. I gave upwardly long ago trying to mix for a specific site (or radio airplay).

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#359621 - 08/05/16 08:18 AM [Off-Topic] Re: How to get meliorate sound quality over on soundcloud [Re: Matt Finley]

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And so the lesson is to upload the highest quality mp3 that the site volition allow.

This is what I do. I gave upwards long ago trying to mix for a specific site (or radio airplay).

Well, as I mentioned in the original post I am really uploading WAV files to soundcloud, which they then convert to 128K mp3. This should in theory give the best possible result.

I did some research after I posted, lots of complaints over on the soundcloud forums almost the poor playback quality there, going back a few years. Non a big bargain, I'll just outset using reverbnation more than for uploads.


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#359625 - 08/05/16 08:32 AM [Off-Topic] Re: How to go amend sound quality over on soundcloud [Re: BlueAttitude]

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FWIW - an article addressing this discussion:

https://www.justmastering.com/article-mixingformp3.php

And here's what Izotope has to say nigh information technology:

Mastering for SoundCloud

SoundCloud transcodes uploaded sound to 128 kbps MP3 to prepare the audio to stream from the site. If an audio file on SoundCloud is made available for download, the downloaded version will be in the original format.

Uploading an MP3 is redundant since SoundCloud volition transcode it anyway, which could in turn introduce more artifacts to audio that's already compressed. Therefore, the best practice is to upload an uncompressed, 24-chip .WAV file and allow SoundCloud to process it.

Here are some recommended settings when mastering audio for SoundCloud:

Use a Truthful Summit limiter, such as Ozone 6, to ensure that the margin is gear up to –0.3 dBFS. This is an acceptable threshold to mitigate nearly of the clipping that occurs during the encoding procedure. Nevertheless, depending on the source material, you may discover a margin of –0.five, –0.vii, –one.0, or –1.5 dBFS sounds improve, with less baloney. In these cases, you simply have to perform trial and mistake, perchance past uploading several versions and deleting all but the best sounding 1.

SoundCloud does not have a feature similar Apple's SoundCheck, so an sound master destined for SoundCloud has more freedom to raise the overall RMS level for competitive loudness. Consider this a applied and aesthetic pick. Make certain to use book matching, such as the 'automatically lucifer effective gain' feature in Ozone, to evaluate loudness increases objectively.

Using a stereo imaging tool, narrow the high end between 5–twenty%. 128 kbps MP3 is the lowest ordinarily acceptable audio quality. As such, a lot of information is lost during encoding and an extremely wide mix is more susceptible to noticeable artifacts. Ironically, some pre-emptive narrowing tin help avoid perceived loss of energy and width.


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